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Sep 01, 2004 - 01:45 PM
Post subject: Why Choose MD Pro Over PostNuke
One can go to opensourcecms.com and see a slew of CMS programs that look like each other and may offer very few differences. With so many of them looking alike, how do you decide which one is for you? If you are considering PostNuke or are already using it, there are several reasons why we think you will find MD Pro to be a superior choice. You can download both programs or just the one you lack, but it takes time to study a program and you may overlook some important and even critical factors. You may be deceived by appearances. This guide is intended to help you in your selection not by giving you answers, but by giving you questions and letting you find your answers. Thus, the issue of bias is eliminated as you arrive at your own conclusions finding answers to questions that apply to both CMS programs.
For this comparison, we will use the MD Pro 1.07 RC1 and PostNuke 0.726 releases. These are the two versions the author of this article (Duster) is familiar with. Further, only the official packages are used in this comparison. Hacks and third party resources are not considered for either program. The purpose of this guide is to help you determine which is the better choice as it comes distributed. For many people, better will mean the easiest choice to both install and administer.
The Sites and Communities
A program is only as good as the people behind it. Consider the following in conjunction with features as you consider the options.
Communication with the community
Compare the two websites. Look up comments on this subject on the PN forums. Look up the same thing on MDP's site. Which do you feel places a greater importance on communicating with its community, including the end users, on a regular basis? Do you know who the project manager is for each CMS? How often do they communicate with the community?
Which tells you of its history?
Documentation
Compare documentation for the two programs. Which do you feel is more abundant and better able to help you with your concerns as a beginner? Is the documentation for either program adequate in addressing your installation and usage questions? Is there an ongoing effort to add to it and improve it?
Site navigation
How easy can you find your way around the respective sites? Is the site cluttered? Can you find documentation easily? Can you find third party blocks and modules easily? Do you spend more time looking than finding?
Development time
How long does it take for the next release? How long does it take for good suggestions to be added?
Next release date
Is there a projected next release date? Do the developers have a good record of keeping their projections? Is the next release weeks away or years?
Forthcoming Features
Do you know what features will be in the next version? Has there been any feedback on previously suggested features and any indication if they will be included? Are feature suggestions just generally ignored or commented on with no indication of future inclusion?
Number of developers
How many active developers are there for each CMS? The answer to this one may surprise you and teach you a lesson about making assumptions based on appearances.
Features
Only MDP has the following features and refinement. PN does not
The ephemerid block does not show on days with no ephemerid
Ephemerids are sorted by month, date and year and displayed in that manner (to the admin)
The user points feature is included
Moderated registration is possible
MDP is search engine friendly. You can customize page names and descriptions for your entire site
MDP allows for customizable meta tags for each page
MDP comes with built in short URL support (with a choice of extensions)
Admin section has option of all sections together or separated by tabs
News module can have multiple pages and columns
Dynamic menu with multiple levels
and a whole lot more
Compare Subjects (MDP) to Sections (PN). The former allows you to enter search engine terms on the same screen where you enter an article. The latter is oblivious to search engines. Furthermore, it allows you to separate articles into multiple pages. Which would you rather use?
Built in database backup
MDP has built in database support and is shown on the admin menu because regular backups are important and we understand the concept of "out of sight out of mind". We think regular backups are so important that you should be able to perform them from within your CMS. How does PN handle db backups? Are external programs such as phpMyAdmin necessary?
Theme engine
MDP uses the popular HTML based AutoTheme program for its theme engine, although all types of themes are supported. There are hundreds of themes available for it. If you know it already, you don't have to learn something new. Since it is HTML based, it is easier to use than other systems and you can use Dreamweaver and other popular HTML editors to create and modify your themes.
Speaking of themes, MDP includes logo blanks so you may rapidly replace our logo with yours and make use of existing themes within minutes. Can that be said of PN's themes?
Refinement
MDP has a more refined look which makes data entry easier. The refinement doesn't stop there though. We are examining every part of MDP and how it functions to eliminate confusion and deficiencies passed on from parent sources PostNuke and Envolution. This is why our ephemerids block functions properly, and why you will see many refinements in MDP that you will not find elsewhere. Using a concept named zero based functionality, we examine how every part of MDP should work and then go about making sure it works that way. We pay attention to small details as well as major functions.
Doing little things well leads to doing bigger things better.
Look at the modules section of the two. The MDP modules section more easily conveys the status of the module, whether it is active, disabled or not initialized.
PN Hacks I DON'T need with MD-Pro
Title Hack, which allows module titles to be displayed in the browser title area
pnMeta to allow editing of meta keyword tags for each module
pncUserHack to moderate user registration (very helpful at thwarting spammers from registering).
A simple editing hack to the login/registration block to make login information more direct and straighforward.
A hack to make Web Links balanced (it allows specifying the number of subcategory levels to be specified).
Another hack to Web Links that enables a different folder icon to be used for the subcategories, creating a greater visual distinction between category and subcategory.
Another hack to Web Links that requests a reciprocal link of anyone placing a link.
A hack to add subcategories to Sections
A hack to prevent the ephemerids block from being displayed on days for which there are no ephemerids
Another hack to ephemerids to have the dates sorted by month and day and then year in the admin section
The main menu has been organized and titles changed to make it more user friendly and intelligible.
A hack to the main menu to make long listings line up below the first line.
Looking ahead
MDP
The future of MDP is smaller than PN's, while larger at the same time. MDP 1.1 will have a smaller, leaner core. Only components considered essential for most any site will be included in its core. All the remaining modules and blocks will be optional add-ons during the installation process or later. This will include such features as ephemerids, quotes and many others. This will make it easier for people who install MDP for the first time as they won't have a lot of unused features to disable and delete.
It will be much like installing Linux where you choose what you want installed. Even for the modules you do want to install, you will be able to choose from any on the same subject. Some site admins will require only lightly featured modules while others will prefer more robust modules for commercial purposes.
Our add-ons though, will carry the same commitment to make them the best that the core modules have. They will also enjoy the benefit of support as our core modules do. Note that this does not apply to third party add-ons.
The MaxDev Association
We are in the process of setting up the MaxDev Association, a not-for profit organization to secure the future of MD- Pro. All assets of the Maxdev Project will be transferred to it and it will oversee global marketing and several other activities.
Of course, it helps to have over fifty developers in various countries also, with more joining our team periodically. MDP is not dependent on the efforts of a very small number of developers whose departure or loss could stall, cripple or halt development altogether.
PN
PN has chosen to incorporate pnRender ( a version of Smarty) in future releases of PN. This can cause incompatibility with many modules. Check their forums for more on this.
MDP is advanced faster
PN may look bigger but MDP has many more developers. PN has a few, but most of the work is done by just one developer, Mark West.
Consequently, MDP is advanced faster than PN. MDP is a multi national collaboration with multiple sites (more than a dozen). That gives it built in redundancy and backup. PN is centralized with all functions controlled from one site. it has all it eggs in one basket. PN .8 will be using the Xanthia templating engine because a PN developer lost their intended Phoenix rendering engine in a hard drive crash. He had no backup for it.
Subjective part
MD Pro is a more refined and polished product than PostNuke (that's less subjective though than you might think). A long list of hacks and other improvements was not needed with MDP. Most were already included. It only took suggesting the remaining ones to have them added as well. The differences between MDP and other CMS will grow considerably and the gap between them will widen to a chasm. We have an imaginative and very responsive group of developers and it's a real pleasure (not to mention a lot of fun) working with them.
As an admin, I like the fact that MDP has built in search engine friendly features and I don't have to add third party hacks to address this severe shortcoming. I like that it has the capability for moderated registration now. It's a feature I need. I had just gotten through adding pncUserPoints to my last PN site when I moved to MDP and discovered they too were built in. I like the fact that the people behind MD Pro think of al these details and how their product will be used in the real world. Unlike PN, there is nothing in MD Pro I need to fix.
If you are still using PN, you should give some serious thought to changing to MD Pro, or just do it. You'll be glad you did and that's an understatement.
About the author
This article was written by Duster. He began following PostNuke in May 2002 and began using it in January 2003. He moved to MD Pro in June 2004. The intent of this article is to help other people using or considering PN based on my experiences with both products and with both organizations. Furthermore, this article reflects my personal experiences and is not a part of any official MD-Pro stance.
Summary
Programs fork for many reasons. Often, emphasis is on the code, which explains why so many deficiencies are passed on from one Nuke fork to another and nothing is done about them. Many developers don't think of how a module or block functions. They only think of how it is coded. At MD Pro, we have taken a different path. While our programmers are optimizing the code, they are also improving the functionality of all the parts and make them function as they should. We have an imaginative and highly responsive group of developers. They strive for excellence on a continual basis. Some improvements are made in as little as a few minutes. We employ the talents of many people, from programmers to document writers, wherever they live in the world. Their combined efforts can be found in an excellent product destined to be even better. We invite you to install MD Pro and see for yourself.
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Speedman MD user level 4
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Sep 01, 2004 - 05:11 PM
Thanks Duster.
Vanessa, the project manager, is incompetent. Nothing more needs to be said except that the very life of Postnuke depends on her getting out of the way.
It's sad to see Postnuke drying up like this. Notice how new develoment has slowed to a crawl. Why is that? I think its because Postnuke has no direction and it's impossible (or a waste of time) to think long-term in developing something Postnuke. Poor Mark West. He's a good guy carrying more weight than he should have to. It's a bad deal all around.
There's a lot of talent there but, and I might be wrong, I think they are holding their collective noses and waiting for something positive to happen. I take no satisfaction seeing that it's not happening. I'd like to see it happen, but it's just not. I don't think it's going to.
I don't dislike them, in fact, I'm rooting for them. But for now, I'm just sad. I'm very sad.
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Sep 01, 2004 - 06:10 PM
I don't disagree with you. However, it would be all to easy to disparage PN and I have no interest in doing so.I'm grateful for everything I learned from it. All the deficiencies resulted in me learning the structure a bit as I found or created solutions. The few that weren't already in MDP are in now (except for some personalized custom ones) so MDP is a little better for what I learned.
I'm especially grateful for them banning me from their forums. It gave me an incentive to do more than just keep an eye on MDP. I accomplished more in a few weeks here that I could in a year and a half there. I'm having loads of fun working with an imaginative bunch of guys who know how to get things done.
At any rate, my posting above is meant to help people choose. It takes time to examine the differences between CMS, especially when they look similar on the outside, and this should help reduce that time by presenting solid facts and points of comparison.
The simple fact is that MDP has manpower and momentum that PN can't possibly match. A few people I contacted have already switched over and we'll see droves of people like them in the months ahead.
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Sep 02, 2004 - 05:08 AM
I believe the puissant issue is momentum. Heavy handed leaders contribute friction and stifle momentum. It is my observation that leaders become heavy handed when they lack confidence, competence, or both. They fear accountability and they worry about failure because they are threatened by both. Defensiveness is antithetical to forward-thinking and productivity; hence, a loss of momentum.
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Sep 02, 2004 - 10:33 AM
well in regards to your statement about getting help when it is needed, I still have not gotten an answer to my question about my blank page after installation. Many views, but no possible solutions offered. I can't say the same for PostNuke because I have NEVER had a problem whatsoever with any version of PostNuke, whether it was installed on a Linux or Windows server, so there for I have never had to ask an installation question. With MD-Pro, I DO have an installation problem with NO answer as of yet!
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Sep 02, 2004 - 11:25 AM
I made no statement about getting help when it is needed. One cannot compare support as it varies with the question asked. There are questions I asked last year on the PostNuke forums that still have not been answered. I just chalked it up to no one knowing the answer. That can happen anywhere.
You asked about installing MDP under Windows and IIS rather than Apache. You later indicated a problem with a blank page. I'd suggest you do a search on blank pages as this issue has been addressed. Perhaps the solution for others applies in your case as well.
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Sep 03, 2004 - 05:24 AM
tsquezn,
I'm sorry if this sounds blunt but sometimes you need to figure things out for yourself. Not because you are being ignored but more likely because your problem can't be reproduced. For example, I have no agenda to make you miserable but I've never used IIs so I'd be clueless to offer a hand.
You could ask the same question about AOL server or Solaris and probably get the same response but that proves nothing. If PostNuke works so well for you, great! As for implying that Postnuke installs without a problem, a look at their forums tells a different story because there are plenty of people having installation problems with PostNuke. In fact, the PostNuke team seems to be having an installation problem of their own as postnuke.com is down as I write this!
My logic tells me your hyperbole belies the fact that you wouldn't be trying MDPro and so agitated about it not working for you if PostNuke were truly your panacea.
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Sep 03, 2004 - 09:58 AM
Speed,
No you didn’t come off as being blunt. But your comment “figure things out for yourself” was quite foolish needless to say.
My statement was directed to Duster about his comment on “Communication with the community.” I was simply stating that after I read his article, I found the Team to be “LACKING” in this department. PN does as well…..lol! If you are unable to provide help, then I do not expect you to, but if you are part of the TEAM then I do, and as of yet they haven’t. Telling someone to do search in the forums is not providing any kind of help, especially after the person has clearly stated they have looked and found nothing that helps. That is called “passing the buck.”
And if you read what I wrote correctly my statement said that “I” have never encountered any problems with a PN installation. I’m sure there are quite few individuals who have run into a problem or two. PN is not perfect and I never said it was.
In that regard, Post Nuke is my “panacea” as you so eloquently put it. I have no desire to use MD in a production environment. I simply want to use it to ensure that the themes I create for PN are compatible with it, in case a customer would like to purchase it and use it with MD. I have also installed PHP Nuke and CPG, both of which installed with no problemos either .
So you see, it is not that I find PN lacking and therefore looking to use MD. Quite the contrary. I would suggest in the future, instead of reading to much into what a person has written, you need to try and understand what they have said first. You come across as a somewhat intelligent individual, seeing as how you have a “penchant” for using big words…..lol (I prefer “ballyhoo” over “hyperbole” myself 8) )
So I leave you with this to consider: “Think before you speak, speak half of what you think.”
P.S. Duster, next time you try to write something that is free of "bias" look the word up and understand what it means. Your article is filled with bias.
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Sep 03, 2004 - 11:13 AM
tsquez wrote:
My statement was directed to Duster about his comment on “Communication with the community.” I was simply stating that after I read his article, I found the Team to be “LACKING” in this department.
You clearly did not understand that part then. I was not referring to technical support. That is mosly peer to peer assistance and there is no way to objectively compare any sites in this regard.
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PN does as well…..lol! If you are unable to provide help, then I do not expect you to, but if you are part of the TEAM then I do, and as of yet they haven’t.
Your expectations are unrealistic. You are using Windows, which places you in a minority. You are further using the greatly flawed IIS, which puts you into an even smaller minority.
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Telling someone to do search in the forums is not providing any kind of help, especially after the person has clearly stated they have looked and found nothing that helps. That is called “passing the buck.”
You are unfairly characterizing the situation now. First, your problem was getting MDP installed under IIS. You made the comment that you found nothing specific about it in your search. You managed to do it anyway. Then your problem was a blank page. It was at that point that I suggested a search on "blank pages" and remarked that the solution to the problem others had might help you as well. I'm sorry for you that you don't consider that helpful but my knowledge of Windows as a server and IIS is very limited so there is nothing else I could add.
What I don't understand is why you were so reasonable in your post on your problem, seemingly accepting that you might have to deduce the answer on your own (and offering to share the solution with the community if found) and why you are so different here, doing nothing but complaining and spouting falsehoods? Did you get a burr under your saddle, did a bee sting you on your private parts while urinating outside, did you sit on a sea urchin or did something else put you in a bad and delusional mood?
In one respect, you remind me of my late mother. She would often break into a conversation saying "talking about x"and we would remind her that no one was talking about x. It was just her way of steering the conversation to what she wanted to talk about. You did the same thing with "well in regards to your statement about getting help when it is needed,". I made no such statement.
It was just your way of bringing attention to the lack of an answer and doing so in an inappropiate location.
There are some lines in the posting guidelines that apply here.
"Please understand that it's not that we are unwilling to help, it's that in some cases we are unable to help."
"Nobody owes you an answer. Giving thanks for assistance, whether your problem was resolved or not, is always welcome and appreciated. Be thankful for the effort even if the results are not what you wanted. Remember that when people try to help you, they are doing you a favor."
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So I leave you with this to consider: “Think before you speak, speak half of what you think.”
You might want to practice what you advocate.
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P.S. Duster, next time you try to write something that is free of "bias" look the word up and understand what it means. Your article is filled with bias.
I'd suggest you look up "subjective". There is some bias in the part labeled Subjective. Almost everything else above that merely asks questions so it cannot reasonably be construed as biased. The listing of features and unneeded hacks is completely accurate and bias is not a factor there either, especially as I make no comments on the value of those features,letting each viewer make those determinations for themselves.
I'm sorry for you that you haven't found an answer to your particular problem yet. That is still no reason to bring your gripes about it to this discussion. Nothing you have said here relates to what I posted here.
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Sep 03, 2004 - 11:49 AM
tsquez,
I think the post that Duster was referring to you to search on is probably THIS one, which covers just about every reasonable fix for blank screens that aren't purely related to server setup issues.
I'm sure that if you've tried all the suggestions within that topic you'll be up and running reasonably fast
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tsquez New MD user
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Sep 04, 2004 - 02:47 AM
Yes i read that thread and tried everything there and nothing seemed to work, which leads me to believe it has something to do with IIS itself. What I actually did was use easyphp and installed it locally (prolly better for theme testing anyway) and it worked with no problemes whatsoever. So thnx anyway for the help guys and I do appreciate the effort. Please do not get me wrong, I think MD is a fine CMS and might use it on a few sites and may even switch over to it on my site, maybe....lol. So keep up the good work guys and if your looking for any themes, give me a holla!
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Sep 05, 2004 - 09:37 PM
You chose to compare Postnuke 726 with the latest MD-Pro-version in a time when Postnuke .750 was already available in a well developed release candidate which offered a number of great new features. Most of them are related to the Xanthia Templating Engine which is as you already pointed out is Smarty-based.
That means that the templating engine is developed by the Smarty project. Together with Xanthia, Typetool, ADODB an phpMailer there are several projects included into Postnuke that are steadily developed by third party developers. The core team can concentrate on Postnuke itself.
Xanthia is the superior templating system because it can and will be used in all modules. So the admin is not dependend on the layout some developer designed. He can adjust everything to his own needs and can even include personal addons without hacking files only by smarty plugins and it also supports short URLs.
MDPro does not offer anything like Pagesetter. Pagesetter is a flexible meta-module that anables the admin to point&click types of publications, design the output via simple HTML and Smarty and can even implement workflows the way he wants. Together with Smarty Plugins and Postnuke this is a mighty combination.
It you click on "Das Team" you see a list of Pagesetter items together with images stored in the Photoshare gallery. If you click on the names of the first 3 persons you get the details. That is again the name from the Pagesetter publication, the image from Photoshare and the address that is fetched by my personal module pnInternutz that in turned gets the data directly from the XML-output of our universities information system, included in the pagesetter item via Smarty Plugin.
Now explain how you do that in MDPro.
MDPro is a nice packet for admins how don't want to know much about the underlying system. They want a running system and a few colorful themes. Postnuke aims more at the professional segment. That doesn't mean that it doesn't run the way I described for MDPro but it has a bigger potential for professionals.
And I don't understand why MDPro-Devs decided not to contribute their knowledge to Postnuke development.
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Sep 06, 2004 - 06:00 AM
Only to add a couple of my cents.
Nixon68 wrote:
Xanthia is the superior templating system because it can and will be used in all modules. So the admin is not dependend on the layout some developer designed. He can adjust everything to his own needs and can even include personal addons without hacking files only by smarty plugins and it also supports short URLs.
Maybe before you talk you need to check in credits where Xanthia comes from and who have developed Xanthia, Nomoreblocks, Visualblock or like PN call now control block etc. all of these thing come from Envolution (before) 1.2.5 development and majority of MAXdev staff come from Envolution
Maybe you can suppose that we all, over 50 developers, have our own good reasons to abandon development of Encompass/Xanthia/Smarty/Nomoreblocks/Visualblocks etc ...
Maybe read also about the author of PN's short url
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MDPro does not offer anything like Pagesetter. Pagesetter is a flexible meta-module that anables the admin to point&click types of publications, design the output via simple HTML and Smarty and can even implement workflows the way he wants. Together with Smarty Plugins and Postnuke this is a mighty combination.
Who says that ?
Personally, I don't like pagesetter and the way it works, but if someone wants pagesetter in Postnuke he just needs to install it, and the same thing in MD-Pro, if you want pagesetter just install it
It you click on "Das Team" you see a list of Pagesetter items together with images stored in the Photoshare gallery. If you click on the names of the first 3 persons you get the details. That is again the name from the Pagesetter publication, the image from Photoshare and the address that is fetched by my personal module pnInternutz that in turned gets the data directly from the XML-output of our universities information system, included in the pagesetter item via Smarty Plugin.
Now explain how you do that in MDPro.
Just install pagesetter, photoshare and, if you want to share it, your pnInternutz module too
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MDPro is a nice packet for admins how don't want to know much about the underlying system. They want a running system and a few colorful themes. Postnuke aims more at the professional segment. That doesn't mean that it doesn't run the way I described for MDPro but it has a bigger potential for professionals.
heheh I m not sure about that, and maybe soon you will see some surprises
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And I don't understand why MDPro-Devs decided not to contribute their knowledge to Postnuke development.
Maybe you need to ask that to PN leaders man, before leaving Envolution and before starting MAXdev project I ask several times to join Envolution and Postnuke development, also in public forum, I say also I was tired and if we join I don't want to be project manager, so I not ask to join for my interest but for community interest, but ..... sometimes they not answer and sometimes they answer " no thanks we already taken all we need from Envolution "
So, now I ask, I don't understand why PostNuke dev's decided not to contribute their knowledge to MD-Pro development.
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Sep 06, 2004 - 07:06 AM
Nixon68 wrote:
You chose to compare Postnuke 726 with the latest MD-Pro-version in a time when Postnuke .750 was already available in a well developed release candidate which offered a number of great new features.
Yes, I did, and for a very good reason. I am not familiar with PN .750 nor will I be.
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Xanthia is the superior templating system because it can and will be used in all modules.
I believe the same can be said about AutoTheme. AutoTheme also has many features that Xanthia does not. At any rate, AutoTheme is easier to use. All that makes it superior to Xanthia in my view (not to mention the wide availablility of AT themes).
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MD Pro does not offer anything like Pagesetter.
I believe Pagesetter is a third party module which invalidates your statement as third party modules and hacks were clearly excluded in this comparison. Besides, it could be installed in MD Pro just as it could in PN.
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Postnuke aims more at the professional segment. That doesn't mean that it doesn't run the way I described for MDPro but it has a bigger potential for professionals.
Hahahahahhahahhahahhha. You are so wrong. What do you base your deluded comments on? MD-Pro is already used in many professional applications. In fact, many of the developers use it in that manner. That's where the Pro in MD-Pro comes from. Planned changes will tailor it even more, not just for professional use, but for any use without imposing things of no interest to each admin.
The atmosphere of any organization starts at the top. The PN organization is ill suited for decent and responsible management, much less professional application. Maxdev has an atmosphere conducive to cooperation and getting things done rather than creating obstacles and dampening enthusiasm of volunteers until they lose it altogether. Things get done and many get done quite rapidly, as quickly as a few minutes.
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And I don't understand why MDPro-Devs decided not to contribute their knowledge to Postnuke development.
You've already gotten an answer back to the forking days. I can say I'm glad Maxdev is a separate project. It has a far better management style and a better product.
Ask yourself why Maxdev has so many more programmers than PostNuke does? Why do more programmers join Maxdev rather than PN?
If you are able to remove your rose colored glassed and set aside your cheerleader pompoms, you will see the truth and the error of your beliefs. You don't have to though and are welcome to continue being deluded, only not here.The bright light of truth will be shone on your clouded fallacious beliefs.
MD Pro has manpower and momentum that PostNuke can't possibly match.The results of that will be more evident in the months ahead.
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Sep 06, 2004 - 08:56 AM
I didn't claim Xanthia as an original Postnuke idea - but AFAIK the current state of XTE in the meantime has become a complete rewrite of the eNvolution code. But now it's really becoming splitting hairs. As I already said: Postnuke developement joins the best of other os projects.
Perhaps you might give some convincing reasons for inventing the wheel anew with a self-coded theming engine when there are existing solutions aorund? What is easier in Autotheme and what does it offer extra that XTE can't do?
There are 2 modules available for the conversion of Autothemes and classic themes into XTE-Themes - And it works with most themes that I tried. So there are as many Xanthia themes as MD-Pro themes.
I know there isn't a real roadmap for Postnuke but is there one for MD-Pro? What is the future of MD-Pro? Including more and more features? Or is there an option for something like what Postnuke .8 is supposed to be? A complete abstraction of core and modules.
AFAIK understand MD-Pro it started as a distribution of Postnuke that included several hacks and 3rd party modules - a package that gets bigger and bigger. Postnuke .8 will be the opposite: a lean core with all the basic layer of db abstraction, API, templating, permissions, security hook aso. The core modules will mostly be show cases of what Postnuke can do. I'm sure Pagesetter + pnMedia will become something like the must-have of every webmaster and it will include some of the most common applications pre-configured.
Is there some kind of comparable vision for MD Pro as well - I really am intered in that. I didn't ask that for provocation. I didn't follow MD-Pro's history.
BTW: I don't really like the religions tone of your last paragraph - I expected a discussion and not the Spanish inquisition!?
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